No App Store on iPhone? (Steve Jobs' Opposition) - Krazy Ken's Tech Talk

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The App Store changed the world, but Steve Jobs didn't place it at the top of Apple's iPhone to-do list. Why did Apple do this, and what was the alternative?
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  • Computer Clan
    Computer Clan8 bulan yang lalu

    Enjoy the new video! Also, feel free to grab your own copy of the Steve Jobs biography I mentioned in the video (links in description). 🔔Subscribe for more tech videos every week!

  • joshmbrown42


    8 bulan yang lalu

    Damn, man, you're plugging that book so hard it's got bruises.

  • Rod Cockerell

    Rod Cockerell

    8 bulan yang lalu

    read it a few times and im not a reader !

  • Deoxal


    8 bulan yang lalu

    The first jailbreaks were done straight from the browser, so much for it being sandboxed

  • Tailslol


    8 bulan yang lalu

    speaking of linux,i think they was the first to use app stores. long before apple.

  • Josiah Ong

    Josiah Ong

    8 bulan yang lalu

    I’m waiting for the Blaux air followup

  • VideoMasterSword
    VideoMasterSword14 hari yang lalu

    Steve Jobs was right, now we are addicted to apps. (That man was really wise)

  • Endy Mallorn
    Endy MallornBulan Yang lalu

    A few months belated here, but, honestly, as a Windows user, Apple's App Store, the Google Play Store, the Amazon App Store, Linux repositories, Valve's Steam, Epic Games Store, etc., all look like one thing to me - a DRM-enabled bottleneck between me and using the software I want to use in the way I want to use it. I've never liked Apple because they always had a walled garden. When they moved to a BSD clone for OSX and then finally moved off the archaic 68X architecture, I had hoped that there would be interoperation and more cross-platform compatibility without Java; maybe through a Wine clone or the like. But instead, they circled the wagons and OSX is just a vaguely pretty waste of time that gets in between a user and actually doing anything worthwhile. An OS should exist to provide simple common libraries and frameworks to software, to optimize and manage memory, and get out of the way. Anything else is pretty much a waste. The amount of call-home and remote access in the NT Windows builds and the OSX Macs is disgusting. We need simple terminals that do as we tell them, when we tell them, and how we tell them. We absolutely don't need DRM-happy chokepoints. And that's all the various software repositories are.

  • puschelhörnchen
    puschelhörnchen2 bulan yang lalu

    I installed many apps over the years. And alot of them are anoying and just mimic a website service. I don't think that justifies an app. Twitter, facebook, ebay, amazon, your prefered parcel delievery company all useless apps.

  • Mouhamed Landolsi
    Mouhamed Landolsi3 bulan yang lalu

    Switch to android 😀

  • Zayd Najjar
    Zayd Najjar3 bulan yang lalu

    What is the SDK ?

  • Dana W
    Dana W3 bulan yang lalu

    I think most of us Apple fans will admit, When Steve Jobs was against the App store and thought everything was going to be web apps. He was completely and utterly wrong. He wasn’t wrong very often but when he was, Like everything else in his life it was big

  • TheWallmartPimp
    TheWallmartPimp3 bulan yang lalu

    Computer Clan: App Store, nothing else like it Installer App: Am I joke to you??? Seriously Installer app on the jailbreak scene was out before the App Store, and most reasonably powered feature phones at the time had a Java app store. The App Store wasn't new, it just did a better job of doing it than what was already out there.

  • Marley Butler
    Marley Butler5 bulan yang lalu

    Jobs is a wanker

  • Arkade
    Arkade5 bulan yang lalu

    Vlogmas? Show me 15k likes & I gotchu 😉

  • Trần Tuấn Minh
    Trần Tuấn Minh5 bulan yang lalu

    Who’s here after the 1:43 historical moment happened again with game streaming services XD

  • MultiMidden
    MultiMidden5 bulan yang lalu

    Ironic as the first 'App Store' 1992's Electronic AppWrapper from Paget Press was developed on NeXTSTEP, the OS from Job's NeXT Inc., the NeXT Inc. that Apple bought and was the basis for Mac OS X..

  • Zorba Wong
    Zorba Wong5 bulan yang lalu

    While the whole time listening about Steve Jobs’s points, I’m like… Yeah, that’s Google Playstore. lol

  • GTA and Apple channel

    GTA and Apple channel

    4 bulan yang lalu


  • Nasimul Islam
    Nasimul Islam5 bulan yang lalu

    Do you know that app stores have been around since at list 1994. Like in linux

  • brandishwar
    brandishwar6 bulan yang lalu

    I wonder what influence the Open Handset Alliance had in pushing Apple to actually put out an SDK. The OHA, for those who don't know, is where Android originated. And beta versions of the OS with a VM were being released in November 2007. And those beta releases included SDKs and documentation for developing applications for Android, allowing developers to make applications that would be ready for when the first Android phones started hitting the market. But the OHA officially formed on October 10, 2007, and Google already had something in the works before the OHA officially formed, with Google intending for Android to be an open mobile platform with free developer tools readily available. I wonder if something got leaked to Apple around that time that since it was 7 days later, October 17, that Apple announced an iPhone SDK would be released in March 2008, but the first press release from the OHA wasn't released till early November. Jobs might have been warming up to the idea more each time it was brought up, and companies were probably putting more pressure on Apple as well, but the formation of the OHA with their open platform likely told Jobs he no longer had a choice.

  • 2arx
    2arx6 bulan yang lalu

    Didn't the jailbreak scene get native apps before the appstore?

  • narwhal
    narwhal6 bulan yang lalu

    Only reason I'm android is because apk apps is way easier to install on android.

  • James Rowe
    James Rowe7 bulan yang lalu

    6:39 - *lists NO explicit stuff* *also lists privacy* Allows Facebook from day 1.

  • aug
    aug7 bulan yang lalu

    my mom: what are you watching all the time?! me: 6:39

  • Yadierelle
    Yadierelle8 bulan yang lalu

    oh no! apple appstore is not in iphone original! press f to pay respect. :(

  • Susan Pratt
    Susan Pratt8 bulan yang lalu

    Thank you for this informative video.

  • Kuemmerling Enthusiast
    Kuemmerling Enthusiast8 bulan yang lalu

    Man, this channel is great. First one I’m actually thinking about actively supporting.

  • Computer Clan

    Computer Clan

    8 bulan yang lalu

    Thank you : ) That means a lot to me.

  • Rishab Tirupathi
    Rishab Tirupathi8 bulan yang lalu

    I don't like web apps because you have to keep connecting to the internet and get all of your data stolen. Imagine a world where the only app was web apps but someone said "what if we offloaded everything to the device so it would run offline? computers are very powerful after all"

  • Johnny Games
    Johnny Games8 bulan yang lalu

    but what if someone plug in a hard drive with ghost operating system they can copy ALL from a device

  • Mati EP09
    Mati EP098 bulan yang lalu

    2:57 I have one

  • Anthony Chopra
    Anthony Chopra8 bulan yang lalu

    6:39 haha

  • Rod Cockerell
    Rod Cockerell8 bulan yang lalu

    iFund might give you $$$ if you use the Duke Nukem Voice more often ! i miss that !

  • I. George
    I. George8 bulan yang lalu


  • nabeelr
    nabeelr8 bulan yang lalu

    Steve Jobs wasn't against it. They were working towards it. But it took time for them to write the SDK and make the whole sandboxed and secure environment. A year later, they released the SDK, and there is NO WAY they made the SDK in one year.

  • Braques
    Braques8 bulan yang lalu

    I swear, every video I watch, it sounds like you're saying iUS vs. iOS.

  • ansonx10
    ansonx108 bulan yang lalu

    The problem with native vs. web apps is so many native apps don't even need to run custom code. Discord runs flawlessly as website and I only use it as such. (I don't really need/want other people to know what I'm doing via rich presence, and I don't need push-to-talk) So many native apps, even on smartphones these days, would run perfectly as websites. Native apps were much more important in the old days when the overhead of a browser would make it inefficient enough to impact the performance of the software. 3D games were often written in low level code like C, and often cleverly used every bit of the system it could. Nowadays, companies want us to basically download an 15th full copy of Chromium that only connects to a single website (like Discord) that are written using inefficient development shortcuts (like Electron). I miss when people actually cared about optimizing their software. Even if I don't miss the REASON they cared; limited system resources.

  • Edwin Noorlander
    Edwin Noorlander8 bulan yang lalu

    Is the thumb down button for Australia?

  • Starcrater21
    Starcrater218 bulan yang lalu


  • Asi Nasoku
    Asi Nasoku8 bulan yang lalu

    Look up the MacBook wheel

  • Inker Splatz
    Inker Splatz8 bulan yang lalu

    netflix is a app

  • Inker Splatz
    Inker Splatz8 bulan yang lalu

    u no longer need to make 10 min long vids all u need to do is 8 now! (im 10 and i know this lol)

    QWERTY8 bulan yang lalu

    Haha I just realized the iPhone came out on my birthday

  • markustegelane
    markustegelane8 bulan yang lalu

    There have been several out of bounds exploits for Safari. Just saying...

  • Kohen 20
    Kohen 208 bulan yang lalu

    200k subscribers good job Krazy Ken

  • Anonymous Freak
    Anonymous Freak8 bulan yang lalu

    What's hilarious to me is that I'd say at least 90% of non-game apps are just web apps with a "local app wrapper" around them. Although in the original iPhone OS's incarnation, the fact that you couldn't even add/modify the home screen AT ALL was a bit annoying. Nope, not even "Web clip" icons. The stock icons were all you got. (Which didn't even include the iTunes _Music Store_ at launch - you had to sync your music/videos from a computer, like a heathen iPod!)

  • WindowsLogic Productions
    WindowsLogic Productions8 bulan yang lalu

    I think it's stupid how Electron apps are taking over on desktop, why do we have to run multiple instances of Chromium just because a developer is too lazy to write a native application which is faster, more secure and less bloated? Electron apps are 200+ MB each because Chromium itself is 200 MB or more in size, run horribly slow on anything more than 5 years old, it blows my mind how developers are thinking that web apps are the future.

  • GAMEMASTER Animal crossing
    GAMEMASTER Animal crossing8 bulan yang lalu

    why steve jobs just why: 1:32

  • GAMEMASTER Animal crossing
    GAMEMASTER Animal crossing8 bulan yang lalu

    so they have to use apps to do it

  • GAMEMASTER Animal crossing
    GAMEMASTER Animal crossing8 bulan yang lalu

    love your chanell always like your videos

  • Matt Halpain
    Matt Halpain8 bulan yang lalu

    8:59 I did not know MS allowed Linux apps to run in Windows, very cool.

  • Clay3613
    Clay36138 bulan yang lalu

    Even Amazon products don't have the same fully fledged App store like Android which is very annoying for someone like me who needs versatile PDF readers.

  • Bob
    Bob8 bulan yang lalu

    *Greatest comment in the world

  • Yehuda Turner
    Yehuda Turner8 bulan yang lalu

    Lol 6:39

  • hblaub
    hblaub8 bulan yang lalu

    I guess the main point should be the unfair handling of different publishers. There are some special deals with major publishers, while smaller ones can wait weeks or even months for their software updates to pop up.

  • llsc and galaxy warrior
    llsc and galaxy warrior8 bulan yang lalu

    Amazing video!

  • Robbert Lucassen
    Robbert Lucassen8 bulan yang lalu

    My guess about Steve Jobs is that he wanted a sure thing. He didn't expect the Appstore to grab over 100 billion in sales in a few years, so he was against it. Only Tim Cook made that gamble possible and Steve rewarded him later by letting him succeed as CEO. Of course, there is much more to it but I think Steve would have killed off the iPhone sooner if Tim had not convinced him otherwise. That's what they did with the iPod Nono's, iPod Sniffles, and other iPod crap Tim did not believe in.

  • Zach Young
    Zach Young8 bulan yang lalu

    The irony is progressive web apps are the future. Steve just knew it before anyone else did.

  • ansonx10


    8 bulan yang lalu

    Exactly right. So many things on the App Store don't need native apps. There are definitely some that would have in the early days when the internet didn't have all the cool APIs it does now.

  • Nico 2102
    Nico 21028 bulan yang lalu

    6:39 where can I find that clip of Steve Jobs?

  • Tazer XI
    Tazer XI8 bulan yang lalu

    I like how he talks about the Apple app store as if it was the first app store, when Linux has had them for decades.

  • MultiMidden


    5 bulan yang lalu

    Have a look at the Electronic AppWrapper from 1992 which was originally developed on NeXTSTEP by Paget Press, widely acknowledged as the first App Store. NeXTSTEP is the OS developed by Job's NeXT Inc., Apple bought NeXT Inc, it's also the OS that Mac OS X was built on.

  • Chris Ray
    Chris Ray8 bulan yang lalu

    All JS on phones sounds interesting, maybe if Node was more well developed in 2007.

  • Mark Escobar
    Mark Escobar8 bulan yang lalu -this ad popped up a couple times, it’s a bracelet that projects on your skin.... seems like another “lit mobile” scam

  • The Anime Otaku
    The Anime Otaku8 bulan yang lalu

    it would be all jail breaking ios

  • xX420MCplayerXx
    xX420MCplayerXx8 bulan yang lalu

    "P()rn" -Steve Jobs Time stamp 6:39

  • El Noob YT
    El Noob YT8 bulan yang lalu

    **laughs in Windows and Android**

  • Heres_ Butler
    Heres_ Butler8 bulan yang lalu

    Imagine downloading APK files in the apple files app like android, finally the files app will be good for something

  • Tezcan aslan

    Tezcan aslan

    8 bulan yang lalu

    ImpiantoFacile you can download anything from the internet without jailbreak,though you need to install-reinstall it a lot

  • ImpiantoFacile


    8 bulan yang lalu

    You can with Filza if you’re jailbroken

  • ??????
    ??????8 bulan yang lalu

    "Porn" -Steve Jobs, March 6 2008

  • Homo Sapiens

    Homo Sapiens

    8 bulan yang lalu

    "Jobs" -Steve Porn, June 3 1908

  • MasonTheDunce


    8 bulan yang lalu

    Robbert Lucassen Porn

  • Robbert Lucassen

    Robbert Lucassen

    8 bulan yang lalu

    Yeah, when a submarine commander fires a torpedo they set maximum safeties to be sure this weapon does not come back to kill them. It will "arm" itself a few meters in front of the target, what-ever target that might be. ???

  • Larry Schad
    Larry Schad8 bulan yang lalu

    If you want to write your own app for your own use you need to have a paid developer account @ $99/year or else you need to uninstall and reinstall every week, which is BS.

  • kai sen xiao
    kai sen xiao8 bulan yang lalu

    Patreon. Waste money for N O T H I N G.

  • Computer Clan

    Computer Clan

    8 bulan yang lalu


  • K Z
    K Z8 bulan yang lalu

    yall didnt know that apple os always lefted that remote control enable n hidden in system files where u cant find it in phone settings n that where ya iphone get hacked n all other apk have nothing to do with it it that remote control left open n always cause leaked information out to random people i dont own apple tech but i do find it easy tear down in os files n require a lot skill get thur it if dont have skill cant block off remote control witch it suck good luck with apple os i been using linux os no issues no problem n have all control for my settings os

  • Computer Clan

    Computer Clan

    8 bulan yang lalu


  • DhanDD2
    DhanDD28 bulan yang lalu


  • Sai Balaji
    Sai Balaji8 bulan yang lalu

    I have read that book 3 times still love it.

  • Skyline X
    Skyline X8 bulan yang lalu

    9:26 LOL

  • Brad Ashcraft
    Brad Ashcraft8 bulan yang lalu

    I still think users deserve the option to install non-approved apps on iOS. Locking it down seems like it's going to get Apple in trouble in the coming years.

  • eUploads
    eUploads8 bulan yang lalu

    I think web apps would have been good enough if the iPhone had been released today.

  • Luis Pedro
    Luis Pedro8 bulan yang lalu

    You just forgot the first real appstore for the iPhone, way before it's release, its Cydia! Yes you needed to jailbreak the iPhone, but for me that was the first appstore for the first generation iPhone.

  • evan
    evan8 bulan yang lalu

    What’s even more ironic is that back in 2007 people hated the idea of web apps on the phone, but now people are begging for some PWA support on their phones, for many reasons, one being a much lighter and faster “app”

  • M J
    M J8 bulan yang lalu

    Which iPhone is to your right? It looks very much like the iPhone 12 leaks

  • Computer Clan

    Computer Clan

    8 bulan yang lalu

    Check out my video. Wink.

  • cameron
    cameron8 bulan yang lalu

    The real reason? Money!

  • Lewis Johnson
    Lewis Johnson8 bulan yang lalu

    Jobs basically invented the Chromebook

  • Carl Williams
    Carl Williams8 bulan yang lalu

    I find it funny that Apple were going to have web apps be the future, then they made the switch to the app store. Now we're back to PWAs.

  • SFF
    SFF8 bulan yang lalu

    Progressive Web Apps before Progressive Web Apps. Such a shame the idea was scrapped in favor of an app store, it could've meant a more competitive market for different platforms (i.e. Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Nokia, etc. probably wouldn't have died out due to the app gap), had the industry followed Apple's move. And now it's Google and Microsoft that's pioneering web apps while Apple is the one that's holding out.

  • QuartzOfficial !
    QuartzOfficial !8 bulan yang lalu

    6:39 fun fact: porn is kinda caffeine to me, it gets me shaky and motivated idk why

  • Ростислав Салабай
    Ростислав Салабай8 bulan yang lalu

    6:39 😂😂😂

  • ApocalypseArisen
    ApocalypseArisen8 bulan yang lalu

    Honestly as much as I appreciate what apple did with iPhone and appstore it's the last reason why I prefer Android. On android I can't side load apps no problem and on I phone it's a huge pain.

  • New Tech and Coding
    New Tech and Coding8 bulan yang lalu

    Web apps that are made from electron (software API) have a very big disadvantage. They take up a lot of disk space because they bundle chromium

  • Pru_unie
    Pru_unie8 bulan yang lalu

    The thumbnail art, nice.

  • Vikram Sharma
    Vikram Sharma8 bulan yang lalu

    Me on an iPhone hey I forgot there is no app store beacuse I bought I iPhone on ebay I hate Steve Jobs!!!!!

  • LukasKob - The Mighty Blue Ape
    LukasKob - The Mighty Blue Ape8 bulan yang lalu

    I love those iPhone 12s on the table.

  • Christopher Irving
    Christopher Irving8 bulan yang lalu

    I'd be more inclined to stay if you were an actual "computer clan" instead of bumming apple in every video. The app store changed the world! Flip it on its head look at the open source with android and apk development by.. Anyone. Imo your alienating people that's generally into tech and not one brand

  • Luuk Lamers
    Luuk Lamers8 bulan yang lalu

    He was so far ahead of his time since Webapps are BIG now and amongst others Google is fully investing in them.

  • pepeshki
    pepeshki8 bulan yang lalu

    Even though I'm not a Apple user, your videos are that interesting that I need to watch the full video. Great job Ken!

  • Galexy_vip0
    Galexy_vip08 bulan yang lalu

    bruh just looking at this thumbnail for the video i thought this was made last year

  • Josiah Ong
    Josiah Ong8 bulan yang lalu

    Everytime I see someone pointing at the i, they mess up. Great Precision there

  • Tobias K
    Tobias K8 bulan yang lalu

    So the thing about native apps on mobile and Web Apps on the pc is only partially true... even though there are many native apps in the stores it’s way faster to develop hybrid apps which are "glorified WebViews" as well just with some native adapters for iOS and Android... those applications can feel nearly as native as real native applications but they would run on iOS as well as Android which saves tons of development time and therefore cost... this is the main reason, I guess, that there are so many webapplications for mobile out there as well... Of course there are other options as well like react native which tries to use native UI combined with JavaScript as well trying to get cross platform compatibility and a native ui but the hybrid app sector isn’t something to overlook... And another interesting point are PWAs... especially with googles TWAs which are like websites that can be put into the playstore it’s a great way to develop apps for the users that can be updated instantly if they don’t need any native dependencies... I would really like to see something like this on iOS even though I doubt it considering the current policy of Apple regarding the apps on the AppStore

  • Nothing Original
    Nothing Original8 bulan yang lalu

    If Steve jobs never agreed to the idea someone else would've beaten him to it, history can't be changed.

  • bamdadkhan
    bamdadkhan8 bulan yang lalu

    i think the world would be better off without walled gardens like app stores where big companies decide what people want instead of them.

  • Who am I?

    Who am I?

    8 bulan yang lalu

    @bamdadkhan As much as I would like that, the normies need the app store to stop themselves from getting a virus.

  • Harry Weadock
    Harry Weadock8 bulan yang lalu

    F Apple because they deleted fortnite #FreeFortnite

  • Jason Zak

    Jason Zak

    8 bulan yang lalu

    Google did too

  • Grinch Reviews and gaming and songs

    Grinch Reviews and gaming and songs

    8 bulan yang lalu


  • Pradeep Sinhji Vaghela
    Pradeep Sinhji Vaghela8 bulan yang lalu

    So in short. You are just reading Steve Jobs novel right now spending time or lockdown😅

  • Chad
    Chad8 bulan yang lalu

    Has Ken ever used a PC? Lol.

  • Elijah Cardon
    Elijah Cardon8 bulan yang lalu

    George Walton Lucas Jr.[2] (born May 14, 1944) is an American film director, producer, screenwriter, and entrepreneur. Lucas is best known for creating the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises and founding Lucasfilm, LucasArts, and Industrial Light & Magic. He served as chairman of Lucasfilm before selling it to The Walt Disney Company in 2012.[3] Lucas is one of history's most financially successful filmmakers and has been nominated for four Academy Awards. His films are among the 100 highest-grossing movies at the North American box office, adjusted for ticket-price inflation.[4] Lucas is considered a significant figure of the 20th-century New Hollywood movement.

  • danielgartin6993
    danielgartin69938 bulan yang lalu

    I already have a copy of the book, Steve Jobs' biography is a great book

  • Walter Man
    Walter Man8 bulan yang lalu

    Imagine a day when you can run android apps on iOS 🤣

  • Dana W

    Dana W

    3 bulan yang lalu

    Because there isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t ask myself, when will I be able to run buggy questionable software on my iPhone?

  • Francis Dolbec
    Francis Dolbec8 bulan yang lalu

    I should get a copy of that biography tho...

  • Francis Dolbec
    Francis Dolbec8 bulan yang lalu

    I read that biography a while ago. It's good book!

  • 13StJimmy
    13StJimmy8 bulan yang lalu

    I actually went and saw Walter Issacson at a book signing event when this book first came out and I highly recommend it, even if you aren’t into biographies if you’re into technology of any kind it’s worth a read